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19b50d902SRodney W. GrimesFrom: James A. Woods <jaw@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
29b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
39b50d902SRodney W. Grimes>From vn Fri Dec  2 18:05:27 1988
49b50d902SRodney W. GrimesSubject: Re: Looking for C source for RSA
59b50d902SRodney W. GrimesNewsgroups: sci.crypt
69b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
79b50d902SRodney W. Grimes# Illegitimi noncarborundum
89b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
99b50d902SRodney W. GrimesPatents are a tar pit.
109b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
119b50d902SRodney W. GrimesA good case can be made that most are just a license to sue, and nothing
129b50d902SRodney W. Grimesis illegal until a patent is upheld in court.
139b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
149b50d902SRodney W. GrimesFor example, if you receive netnews by means other than 'nntp',
159b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthese very words are being modulated by 'compress',
169b50d902SRodney W. Grimesa variation on the patented Lempel-Ziv-Welch algorithm.
179b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
189b50d902SRodney W. GrimesOriginal Ziv-Lempel is patent number 4,464,650, and the more powerful
199b50d902SRodney W. GrimesLZW method is #4,558,302.  Yet despite any similarities between 'compress'
209b50d902SRodney W. Grimesand LZW (the public-domain 'compress' code was designed and given to the
219b50d902SRodney W. Grimesworld before the ink on the Welch patent was dry), no attorneys from Sperry
229b50d902SRodney W. Grimes(the assignee) have asked you to unplug your Usenet connection.
239b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
249b50d902SRodney W. GrimesWhy?  I can't speak for them, but it is possible the claims are too broad,
259b50d902SRodney W. Grimesor, just as bad, not broad enough.  ('compress' does things not mentioned
269b50d902SRodney W. Grimesin the Welch patent.)  Maybe they realize that they can commercialize
279b50d902SRodney W. GrimesLZW better by selling hardware implementations rather than by licensing
289b50d902SRodney W. Grimessoftware.  Again, the LZW software delineated in the patent is *not*
299b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthe same as that of 'compress'.
309b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
319b50d902SRodney W. GrimesAt any rate, court-tested software patents are a different animal;
329b50d902SRodney W. Grimescorporate patents in a portfolio are usually traded like baseball cards
339b50d902SRodney W. Grimesto shut out small fry rather than actually be defended before
349b50d902SRodney W. Grimesnon-technical juries.  Perhaps RSA will undergo this test successfully,
359b50d902SRodney W. Grimesalthough the grant to "exclude others from making, using, or selling"
369b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthe invention would then only apply to the U.S. (witness the
379b50d902SRodney W. GrimesGenentech patent of the TPA molecule in the U.S. but struck down
389b50d902SRodney W. Grimesin Great Britain as too broad.)
399b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
409b50d902SRodney W. GrimesThe concept is still exotic for those who learned in school the rule of thumb
419b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthat one may patent "apparatus" but not an "idea".
429b50d902SRodney W. GrimesApparently this all changed in Diamond v. Diehr (1981) when the U. S. Supreme
439b50d902SRodney W. GrimesCourt reversed itself.
449b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
459b50d902SRodney W. GrimesScholars should consult the excellent article in the Washington and Lee
469b50d902SRodney W. GrimesLaw Review (fall 1984, vol. 41, no. 4) by Anthony and Colwell for a
479b50d902SRodney W. Grimescomprehensive survey of an area which will remain murky for some time.
489b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
499b50d902SRodney W. GrimesUntil the dust clears, how you approach ideas which are patented depends
509b50d902SRodney W. Grimeson how paranoid you are of a legal onslaught.  Arbitrary?  Yes.  But
519b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthe patent bar the the CCPA (Court of Customs and Patent Appeals)
529b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthanks you for any uncertainty as they, at least, stand to gain
539b50d902SRodney W. Grimesfrom any trouble.
549b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
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569b50d902SRodney W. GrimesFrom: James A. Woods <jaw@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
579b50d902SRodney W. GrimesSubject: Re: Looking for C source for RSA (actually 'compress' patents)
589b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
599b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	In article <2042@eos.UUCP> you write:
609b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	>The concept is still exotic for those who learned in school the rule of thumb
619b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	>that one may patent "apparatus" but not an "idea".
629b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
639b50d902SRodney W. GrimesA rule of thumb that has never been completely valid, as any chemical
649b50d902SRodney W. Grimesengineer can tell you.  (Chemical processes were among the earliest patents,
659b50d902SRodney W. Grimesas I recall.)
669b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
679b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	ah yes -- i date myself when relaying out-of-date advice from elderly
689b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	attorneys who don't even specialize in patents.  one other interesting
699b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	class of patents include the output of optical lens design programs,
709b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	which yield formulae which can then fairly directly can be molded
719b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	into glass.  although there are restrictions on patenting equations,
729b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	the "embedded systems" seem to fly past the legal gauntlets.
739b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
749b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	anyway, i'm still learning about intellectual property law after
759b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	several conversations from a unisys (nee sperry) lawyer re 'compress'.
769b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
779b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	it's more complicated than this, but they're letting (oral
789b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	communication only) software versions of 'compress' slide
799b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	as far as licensing fees go.  this includes 'arc', 'stuffit',
809b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	and other commercial wrappers for 'compress'.  yet they are
819b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	signing up licensees for hardware chips.  hewlett-packard
829b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	supposedly has an active vlsi project, and unisys has
839b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	board-level lzw-based tape controllers.  (to build lzw into
849b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	a disk controller would be strange, as you'd have to build
859b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	in a filesystem too!)
869b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
879b50d902SRodney W. Grimes 	it's byzantine
889b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	that unisys is in a tiff with hp regarding the patents,
899b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	after discovering some sort of "compress" button on some
909b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	hp terminal product.  why?  well, professor abraham lempel jumped
919b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	from being department chairman of computer science at technion in
929b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	israel to sperry (where he got the first patent), but then to work
939b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	at hewlett-packard on sabbatical.  the second welch patent
949b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	is only weakly derivative of the first, so they want chip
959b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	licenses and hp relented.  however, everyone agrees something
969b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	like the current unix implementation is the way to go with
979b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	software, so hp (and ucb) long ago asked spencer thomas and i to sign
989b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	off on copyright permission (although they didn't need to, it being pd).
999b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	lempel, hp, and unisys grumbles they can't make money off the
1009b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	software since a good free implementation (not the best --
1019b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	i have more ideas!) escaped via usenet.  (lempel's own pascal
1029b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	code was apparently horribly slow.)
1039b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	i don't follow the ibm 'arc' legal bickering; my impression
1049b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	is that the pc folks are making money off the archiver/wrapper
1059b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	look/feel of the thing [if ms-dos can be said to have a look and feel].
1069b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1079b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	now where is telebit with the compress firmware?  in a limbo
1089b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	netherworld, probably, with sperry still welcoming outfits
1099b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	to sign patent licenses, a common tactic to bring other small fry
1109b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	into the fold.  the guy who crammed 12-bit compess into the modem
1119b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	there left.  also what is transpiring with 'compress' and sys 5 rel 4?
1129b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	beats me, but if sperry got a hold of them on these issues,
1139b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	at&t would likely re-implement another algorithm if they
1149b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	thought 'compress' infringes.  needful to say, i don't think
1159b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	it does after the abovementioned legal conversation.
1169b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	my own beliefs on whether algorithms should be patentable at all
1179b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	change with the weather.  if the courts finally nail down
1189b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	patent protection for algorithms, academic publication in
1199b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	textbooks will be somewhat at odds with the engineering world,
1209b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	where the textbook codes will simply be a big tease to get
1219b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	money into the patent holder coffers...
1229b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1239b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	oh, if you implement lzw from the patent, you won't get
1249b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	good rates because it doesn't mention adaptive table reset,
1259b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	lack thereof being *the* serious deficiency of thomas' first version.
1269b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1279b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	now i know that patent law generally protects against independent
1289b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	re-invention (like the 'xor' hash function pleasantly mentioned
1299b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	in the patent [but not the paper]).
1309b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	but the upshot is that if anyone ever wanted to sue us,
1319b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	we're partially covered with
1329b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	independently-developed twists, plus the fact that some of us work
1339b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	in a bureacratic morass (as contractor to a public agency in my case).
1349b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1359b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	quite a mess, huh?  i've wanted to tell someone this stuff
1369b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	for a long time, for posterity if nothing else.
1379b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1389b50d902SRodney W. Grimesjames
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