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16dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier
29b50d902SRodney W. GrimesFrom: James A. Woods <jaw@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
39b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
49b50d902SRodney W. Grimes>From vn Fri Dec  2 18:05:27 1988
59b50d902SRodney W. GrimesSubject: Re: Looking for C source for RSA
69b50d902SRodney W. GrimesNewsgroups: sci.crypt
79b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
89b50d902SRodney W. Grimes# Illegitimi noncarborundum
99b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
109b50d902SRodney W. GrimesPatents are a tar pit.
119b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
129b50d902SRodney W. GrimesA good case can be made that most are just a license to sue, and nothing
139b50d902SRodney W. Grimesis illegal until a patent is upheld in court.
149b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
159b50d902SRodney W. GrimesFor example, if you receive netnews by means other than 'nntp',
169b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthese very words are being modulated by 'compress',
179b50d902SRodney W. Grimesa variation on the patented Lempel-Ziv-Welch algorithm.
189b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
199b50d902SRodney W. GrimesOriginal Ziv-Lempel is patent number 4,464,650, and the more powerful
209b50d902SRodney W. GrimesLZW method is #4,558,302.  Yet despite any similarities between 'compress'
219b50d902SRodney W. Grimesand LZW (the public-domain 'compress' code was designed and given to the
229b50d902SRodney W. Grimesworld before the ink on the Welch patent was dry), no attorneys from Sperry
239b50d902SRodney W. Grimes(the assignee) have asked you to unplug your Usenet connection.
249b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
259b50d902SRodney W. GrimesWhy?  I can't speak for them, but it is possible the claims are too broad,
269b50d902SRodney W. Grimesor, just as bad, not broad enough.  ('compress' does things not mentioned
279b50d902SRodney W. Grimesin the Welch patent.)  Maybe they realize that they can commercialize
289b50d902SRodney W. GrimesLZW better by selling hardware implementations rather than by licensing
299b50d902SRodney W. Grimessoftware.  Again, the LZW software delineated in the patent is *not*
309b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthe same as that of 'compress'.
319b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
329b50d902SRodney W. GrimesAt any rate, court-tested software patents are a different animal;
339b50d902SRodney W. Grimescorporate patents in a portfolio are usually traded like baseball cards
349b50d902SRodney W. Grimesto shut out small fry rather than actually be defended before
359b50d902SRodney W. Grimesnon-technical juries.  Perhaps RSA will undergo this test successfully,
369b50d902SRodney W. Grimesalthough the grant to "exclude others from making, using, or selling"
379b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthe invention would then only apply to the U.S. (witness the
389b50d902SRodney W. GrimesGenentech patent of the TPA molecule in the U.S. but struck down
399b50d902SRodney W. Grimesin Great Britain as too broad.)
409b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
419b50d902SRodney W. GrimesThe concept is still exotic for those who learned in school the rule of thumb
429b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthat one may patent "apparatus" but not an "idea".
439b50d902SRodney W. GrimesApparently this all changed in Diamond v. Diehr (1981) when the U. S. Supreme
449b50d902SRodney W. GrimesCourt reversed itself.
459b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
469b50d902SRodney W. GrimesScholars should consult the excellent article in the Washington and Lee
479b50d902SRodney W. GrimesLaw Review (fall 1984, vol. 41, no. 4) by Anthony and Colwell for a
489b50d902SRodney W. Grimescomprehensive survey of an area which will remain murky for some time.
499b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
509b50d902SRodney W. GrimesUntil the dust clears, how you approach ideas which are patented depends
519b50d902SRodney W. Grimeson how paranoid you are of a legal onslaught.  Arbitrary?  Yes.  But
52*14517324SEitan Adlerthe patent bar of the CCPA (Court of Customs and Patent Appeals)
539b50d902SRodney W. Grimesthanks you for any uncertainty as they, at least, stand to gain
549b50d902SRodney W. Grimesfrom any trouble.
559b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
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579b50d902SRodney W. GrimesFrom: James A. Woods <jaw@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
589b50d902SRodney W. GrimesSubject: Re: Looking for C source for RSA (actually 'compress' patents)
599b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
609b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	In article <2042@eos.UUCP> you write:
619b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	>The concept is still exotic for those who learned in school the rule of thumb
629b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	>that one may patent "apparatus" but not an "idea".
639b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
649b50d902SRodney W. GrimesA rule of thumb that has never been completely valid, as any chemical
659b50d902SRodney W. Grimesengineer can tell you.  (Chemical processes were among the earliest patents,
669b50d902SRodney W. Grimesas I recall.)
679b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
689b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	ah yes -- i date myself when relaying out-of-date advice from elderly
699b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	attorneys who don't even specialize in patents.  one other interesting
709b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	class of patents include the output of optical lens design programs,
719b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	which yield formulae which can then fairly directly can be molded
729b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	into glass.  although there are restrictions on patenting equations,
739b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	the "embedded systems" seem to fly past the legal gauntlets.
749b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
756dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	anyway, I'm still learning about intellectual property law after
766dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	several conversations from a Unisys (nee sperry) lawyer re 'compress'.
779b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
789b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	it's more complicated than this, but they're letting (oral
799b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	communication only) software versions of 'compress' slide
809b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	as far as licensing fees go.  this includes 'arc', 'stuffit',
819b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	and other commercial wrappers for 'compress'.  yet they are
826dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	signing up licensees for hardware chips.  Hewlett-Packard
836dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	supposedly has an active vlsi project, and Unisys has
846dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	board-level LZW-based tape controllers.  (to build LZW into
859b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	a disk controller would be strange, as you'd have to build
869b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	in a filesystem too!)
879b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
889b50d902SRodney W. Grimes 	it's byzantine
896dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	that Unisys is in a tiff with HP regarding the patents,
909b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	after discovering some sort of "compress" button on some
916dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	HP terminal product.  why?  well, professor Abraham Lempel jumped
929b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	from being department chairman of computer science at technion in
936dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	Israel to sperry (where he got the first patent), but then to work
946dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	at Hewlett-Packard on sabbatical.  the second Welch patent
959b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	is only weakly derivative of the first, so they want chip
966dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	licenses and HP relented.  however, everyone agrees something
976dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	like the current Unix implementation is the way to go with
986dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	software, so HP (and UCB) long ago asked spencer Thomas and i to sign
999b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	off on copyright permission (although they didn't need to, it being pd).
1006dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	Lempel, HP, and Unisys grumbles they can't make money off the
1019b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	software since a good free implementation (not the best --
1026dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	i have more ideas!) escaped via Usenet.  (Lempel's own pascal
1039b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	code was apparently horribly slow.)
1046dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	i don't follow the IBM 'arc' legal bickering; my impression
1059b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	is that the pc folks are making money off the archiver/wrapper
1069b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	look/feel of the thing [if ms-dos can be said to have a look and feel].
1079b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1089b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	now where is telebit with the compress firmware?  in a limbo
1099b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	netherworld, probably, with sperry still welcoming outfits
1109b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	to sign patent licenses, a common tactic to bring other small fry
1116dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	into the fold.  the guy who crammed 12-bit compress into the modem
1129b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	there left.  also what is transpiring with 'compress' and sys 5 rel 4?
1139b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	beats me, but if sperry got a hold of them on these issues,
1149b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	at&t would likely re-implement another algorithm if they
1159b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	thought 'compress' infringes.  needful to say, i don't think
1169b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	it does after the above mentioned legal conversation.
1179b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	my own beliefs on whether algorithms should be patentable at all
1189b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	change with the weather.  if the courts finally nail down
1199b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	patent protection for algorithms, academic publication in
1209b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	textbooks will be somewhat at odds with the engineering world,
1219b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	where the textbook codes will simply be a big tease to get
1229b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	money into the patent holder coffers...
1239b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1246dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	oh, if you implement LZW from the patent, you won't get
1259b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	good rates because it doesn't mention adaptive table reset,
1266dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	lack thereof being *the* serious deficiency of Thomas' first version.
1279b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1289b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	now i know that patent law generally protects against independent
1299b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	re-invention (like the 'xor' hash function pleasantly mentioned
1309b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	in the patent [but not the paper]).
1319b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	but the upshot is that if anyone ever wanted to sue us,
1329b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	we're partially covered with
1339b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	independently-developed twists, plus the fact that some of us work
1346dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	in a bureaucratic morass (as contractor to a public agency in my case).
1359b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1366dc4364cSPhilippe Charnier	quite a mess, huh?  I've wanted to tell someone this stuff
1379b50d902SRodney W. Grimes	for a long time, for posterity if nothing else.
1389b50d902SRodney W. Grimes
1399b50d902SRodney W. Grimesjames
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